Before anybody else sends me email asking why _I'm_ sending stuff to bugtraq criticizing Tim Newsham for sending stuff to Firewalls... Take a look at the headers of all the messages. I didn't send my messages to bugtraq; I sent them to Tim directly. It appears, however, that all Newsham's incoming mail is being forwarded to bugtraq (though I doubt it's being done by Tim). -Brent -- Brent Chapman | Great Circle Associates | Call or email for info about Brent@GreatCircle.COM | 1057 West Dana Street | upcoming Internet Security +1 415 962 0841 | Mountain View, CA 94041 | Firewalls Tutorial dates